Ken Ham advocates drowning atheists

It appears that Ken Ham didn’t like our post from Monday on his amazing children’s book showing humans riding dinosaurs through the desert and Arctic, as well as large carnivorous dinosaurs munching on lemons and bananas.

On Facebook today, when commenting on the horror of an atheist rally in D.C. with tents for (gasp) children’s games and craft projects, Ken Ham dropped the following knowledge on us:

In recent times, various atheists have been blasting AiG (and myself) on the internet and in books for reaching children with the message of the truth of God’s Word beginning in Genesis through speaking programs and books and DVD’s etc. In fact, as I have documented, they accuse us of ‘child abuse’ because we teach children they are created and that God’s Word is true. You see, they want to reach children with their message–that there is no God–that life is meaningless and purposeless–that the universe and all life is the result of totally naturalistic processes. They want to brainwash children with their anti-God religion of millions of years and evolution.

I’m reminded of a verse of Scripture: “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.”

(Mark 9:42)

We’ll get to that quote soon enough. But first we have to just stop and admire the fact that ol’ Ken says if you teach a child that humans didn’t actually hunt dragons and ride on saddled dinosaurs a few thousand years ago, you are “brainwashing” them.

Shorter Ken Ham: “I know you are, but what am I? You Godless purposeless heathen.”

But about that quote from the loving and peaceful Jesus…

Is Ken saying people who teach children that Adam and Eve didn’t really feed coconuts to vegetarian T-Rexes should be drowned to death, because that is such an unforgivable act of heresy? That would appear to be the case, but I’m admittedly not a big fiction reader.

If so, it remains unclear whether Ken Ham — the man who has made himself and his family a fortune by marketing insane myths about dinosaurs and dragons to impressionable kids and their slack-jawed parents who buy his products — wants them dead because that’s what Jesus would have wanted, or they’re starting to cut into his bottom line (Ark Park coming soon: 2025!).

Peace, Ken.

6 Comments

  1. Steve Magruder
    Posted March 21, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    I want to address what Ken Ham is saying directly, but since his ravings are so extremely irrational, I’ll merely recommend the most invasive psychiatric treatment. As far as I’m concerned, there is no patient discussion with the absurd, baseless points he makes.

  2. Frank Lovell
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Young-Earth creationist Ken Ham’s commentary would (as he surely hopes) lead a reader to believe that ONLY atheists are Old-Earth evolutionists.

    But that is NOT SO, not by a long shot!

    There are MILLIONS of religious believers in a creator God (including MILLIONS of professing Christians) who also accept the historical reality of evolution phenomena (by which all life forms we see today evolved from prior life forms over tens and hundreds of millions of years) and the scientific validity of current evolution theory (which attempts to explain evolution phenomena).

    If ALL atheists were to vanish from Earth instantly (something I gather Ham prays for each night, maybe each hour), what would be left are MILLIONS of Christian (and other) creationists WHO ARE ALSO OLD-EARTH EVOLUTIONISTS, on account of the current veritable mountain of diverse empirical evidence which SHOUTS that the natural history of life on Earth looks, waddles and quacks all the world like EVOLUTION on an ancient planet.

    In short: “Scientific Creationism” ISN’T!

  3. Amii Lockhart
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Stand in line, Ken, stand in line.

  4. Jay McHue
    Posted March 23, 2012 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Wow. Epic misunderstanding of Jesus’ words (and Ken Ham repeating them).

  5. ashley haworth-roberts
    Posted April 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Leo Weekly

    As you mention, Ken Ham referred to you in his blog of 18 April.

    Earlier today I sent the following email to Answers in Genesis (I’ve told them I’m posting it here too):

    “As posted recently by myself on the BCSE Community Forum:
    “Ken Ham is complaining about an atheist blog at Leo Weekly in his blog of 18 April (which he has conveniently flagged for his fans on Facebook):
    The blog in question – which IS entitled ‘Ken Ham advocates drowning atheists’ – reads:
    “On Facebook today, when commenting on the horror of an atheist rally in D.C. with tents for (gasp) children’s games and craft projects, Ken Ham dropped the following knowledge on us:
    In recent times, various atheists have been blasting AiG (and myself) on the internet and in books for reaching children with the message of the truth of God’s Word beginning in Genesis through speaking programs and books and DVDs etc. In fact, as I have documented, they accuse us of ‘child abuse’ because we teach children they are created and that God’s Word is true. You see, they want to reach children with their message that there is no God – that life is meaningless and purposeless – that the universe and all life is the result of totally naturalistic processes. They want to brainwash children with their anti-God religion of millions of years and evolution.
    I’m reminded of a verse of Scripture: “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.”
    (Mark 9:42)”
    and
    “Is Ken saying people who teach children that Adam and Eve didn?t really feed coconuts to vegetarian T-Rexes should be drowned to death, because that is such an unforgivable act of heresy? That would appear to be the case, but I’m admittedly not a big fiction reader.
    If so, it remains unclear whether Ken Ham, the man who has made himself and his family a fortune by marketing insane myths about dinosaurs and dragons to impressionable kids and their slack-jawed parents who buy his products, wants them dead because that’s what Jesus would have wanted, or they’re starting to cut into his bottom line…”.
    Ham DID write on Facebook on 21 March:
    “I wanted to bring to your attention the Rally’s efforts to reach children with their atheist anti-God message: “Also, there will be a Camp Quest tent at the rally, so bring your kids! The tent will be geared toward children 5-15, with craft projects and games.” (http://www.reasonrally.org/).
    In recent times, various atheists have been blasting AiG (and myself) on the internet and in books for reaching children with the message of the truth of God’s Word beginning in Genesis through speaking programs and books and DVD’s etc. In fact, as I have documented, they accuse us of ‘child abuse’ because we teach children they are created and that God’s Word is true. You see, they want to reach children with their message–that there is no God–that life is meaningless and purposeless–that the universe and all life is the result of totally naturalistic processes. They want to brainwash children with their anti-God religion of millions of years and evolution.
    I’m reminded of a verse of Scripture: “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.”
    (Mark 9:42)”.
    Some atheists may, arguably, ‘brainwash’ kids. That is a problem for Ken Ham because he brainwashes kids in nonsense anti-scientific stories as a means to softening them up to the Christian gospel (I have no problem with anybody preaching the Christian gospel). In the 18 April blog he says:
    “In this article posted on the LEO news blog, Fat Lip, Joe Sonka accused me of advocating that atheists be drowned, based on my quotation of this verse in Mark”. ONLY the blog title, not its contents, did this.
    The blog goes on to state: “If these atheists were to consider the context of these two verses, they would realize that I was not certainly advocating that atheists be drowned. Rather, I was indicating that those who teach our children that there is no God will be held accountable for it by God, and their punishment will be severe beyond this world. But here’s the key: these verses indicate that a fate of drowning would be better than experiencing that coming judgment”. But Ken Ham failed to provide such context on Facebook.
    The blog of 18 April also links to another recent atheist blog – Atheistic Thoughts. That blog DID say: “For those who don’t know, Ken Ham has made comments that atheists should have rocks tied around their necks and be drowned…”. That blog statement is not correct. Rather Ham alluded to the fact that the Bible ie Jesus tells us that atheists (or those who cause little ones who believe in Jesus to stumble) should have rocks tied around their necks and be drowned instead of continuing to mislead children – and end up in hell as a consequence (was Jesus saying that if somebody threw them into the sea to drown they would NOT end up in hell eg they might repent before they lose consciousness?)
    The problem for Mr Ham is that millions of years is reality, so teaching the evidence that shows this is NOT causing anybody to ‘stumble’. Some atheists may also teach that there is no God, and that – arguably – may be a cause of ‘stumbling’. But Ken Ham does not simply teach the Bible, he seeks to destroy scientific knowledge that threatens any literal reading of the book of Genesis.
    The Ham blog also states: “Frequently, atheists wrongly apply what’s called a ‘wooden literalism’ to the Bible, yet they don’t adhere to the same standard with their everyday language. For instance, an atheist (or anyone for that matter) might figuratively say, ‘It’s raining cats and dogs.’ Now, we know it doesn’t mean that cats and dogs are literally falling from the sky; we know exactly what the phrase means. Also, we all use the words ‘sunrise’ and ‘sunset’ (even a newspaper will list the times of sunrise and sunset), but we know what those terms mean (from our visual perspective, the sun seems to rise and set). Yet when atheist mockers read the biblical description about the sun stopping in the sky (and from Joshua’s perspective, that is what happened), then they falsely accuse the Bible of being scientifically wrong”.
    Joshua 10:12-14 reads “On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel:
    “Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
    So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
    The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the LORD listened to a human being. Surely the LORD was fighting for Israel!”.
    Ken Ham appears to be arguing that the sun ‘stopping’ was just an optical illusion – “from Joshua’s perspective”.
    How on EARTH could the sun appear to STOP in the sky? The man appears seriously confused. Answers on a postcard?
    “This is a reminder to pray for these very lost people and also to be reminded of their lying tactics”. Pot Kettle Black. Ham has previously lied about Stephen Hawking and (as far as I could gather after contacting them) the NCSE.
    What about the Facebook fans?
    “Oh my, I cannot believe they would mis-quote you like that. That is too bad. Well, it does show that you are getting to them. Still though, it is sad that they have to resort to such techniques”. As I showed above, the Leo Weekly blog at least did NOT misquote Ham’s previous words on Facebook, though they omitted his short opening preamble about the Reason Rally and the Camp Quest tent geared toward children 5-15 and providing craft projects and games (as I showed above Leo Weekly did provide the context of Ham’s comments).
    But Ham’s blog implies that BOTH atheist blogs lied. NONE of his biased followers appear to have any problem with this.
    Christians – unlike your average atheist – are meant follow closely a book that warns against ‘bearing false witness’”.

    Ashley Haworth-Roberts

  6. dave
    Posted May 3, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Just to be clear, I’m sure atheists don’t wish to drown him, so who has the higher moral ground?

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